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		<title>By: tikitu</title>
		<link>http://www.logophile.org/blog/2009/05/01/what-happened-to-amarok/comment-page-1/#comment-6617</link>
		<dc:creator>tikitu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 11:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Coolness. Now that I&#039;ve started looking around, I&#039;ve seen some very cool mockups.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coolness. Now that I&#8217;ve started looking around, I&#8217;ve seen some very cool mockups.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nikolaj Hald Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://www.logophile.org/blog/2009/05/01/what-happened-to-amarok/comment-page-1/#comment-6615</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikolaj Hald Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 11:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;tikitu: Regarding the gui, you will be happy to know that there are (literally &lt;em&gt;right now&lt;/em&gt;) 14 of us sitting around a table in Berlin at a lager Amarok developer sprint, discussing the short and long term plans for the Amarok 2 gui. There should be a  flurry of blog posts from this event hitting the Amarok blog aggregator soon.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tikitu: Regarding the gui, you will be happy to know that there are (literally <em>right now</em>) 14 of us sitting around a table in Berlin at a lager Amarok developer sprint, discussing the short and long term plans for the Amarok 2 gui. There should be a  flurry of blog posts from this event hitting the Amarok blog aggregator soon.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: (b)logophile &#8250; Amarok: changing my tune</title>
		<link>http://www.logophile.org/blog/2009/05/01/what-happened-to-amarok/comment-page-1/#comment-6604</link>
		<dc:creator>(b)logophile &#8250; Amarok: changing my tune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 19:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] embarassed myself by mouthing off about Amarok without checking the state of play properly, I&#8217;m belatedly [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] embarassed myself by mouthing off about Amarok without checking the state of play properly, I&#8217;m belatedly [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: tikitu</title>
		<link>http://www.logophile.org/blog/2009/05/01/what-happened-to-amarok/comment-page-1/#comment-6603</link>
		<dc:creator>tikitu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 18:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I had a look at the changelog... and now feel even more of a jerk. It&#039;s easy to lose sight of the sheer magnitude of work, mainly invisible, going on behind each release. Almost all the things I&#039;m annoyed about are apparently either sorted out in 2.1 or at least being worked on. (The usb issue &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a pain, and might even send me back to 1.4 until it&#039;s sorted out.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think I &lt;em&gt;would&lt;/em&gt; have been justified in a bit of angry flaming if there wasn&#039;t any import-from-1.4 functionality. Since there is, though, the tone of my post isn&#039;t at all justified. I apologise.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m still not completely sold on the UI changes, but that&#039;s an entirely different issue (and one that I&#039;ll air over at your place, if I come up with anything constructive).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a look at the changelog&#8230; and now feel even more of a jerk. It&#8217;s easy to lose sight of the sheer magnitude of work, mainly invisible, going on behind each release. Almost all the things I&#8217;m annoyed about are apparently either sorted out in 2.1 or at least being worked on. (The usb issue <em>is</em> a pain, and might even send me back to 1.4 until it&#8217;s sorted out.)</p>

<p>I think I <em>would</em> have been justified in a bit of angry flaming if there wasn&#8217;t any import-from-1.4 functionality. Since there is, though, the tone of my post isn&#8217;t at all justified. I apologise.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m still not completely sold on the UI changes, but that&#8217;s an entirely different issue (and one that I&#8217;ll air over at your place, if I come up with anything constructive).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nikolaj Hald Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://www.logophile.org/blog/2009/05/01/what-happened-to-amarok/comment-page-1/#comment-6601</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikolaj Hald Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, the deal with the usb drive &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; actually Amaroks fault. The Google Summer of Code student who re-added support for media devices last year did not get around to usb mass storage devices. He is back this year to finish up the job though!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the deal with the usb drive <em>is</em> actually Amaroks fault. The Google Summer of Code student who re-added support for media devices last year did not get around to usb mass storage devices. He is back this year to finish up the job though!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nikolaj Hald Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://www.logophile.org/blog/2009/05/01/what-happened-to-amarok/comment-page-1/#comment-6600</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikolaj Hald Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;tikitu: No need to feel like a jerk. That you did not find this, arguably pretty well hidden feature, actually highlights another issue that we are working on; making a proper &quot;first run&quot; guide for Amarok 2 (we actually have a prototype of something quite cool running for this)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for the roadmap for future versions, there is not really one place to go for that, but the changelog (http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.1/beta/1) for 2.1.0 Beta 1 gives a nice overview, and you can find a lot of discussion about what features are being planned/worked on in our blogs (http://amarok.kde.org/en/PlanetAmarok)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tikitu: No need to feel like a jerk. That you did not find this, arguably pretty well hidden feature, actually highlights another issue that we are working on; making a proper &#8220;first run&#8221; guide for Amarok 2 (we actually have a prototype of something quite cool running for this)</p>

<p>As for the roadmap for future versions, there is not really one place to go for that, but the changelog (<a href="http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.1/beta/1" rel="nofollow">http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.1/beta/1</a>) for 2.1.0 Beta 1 gives a nice overview, and you can find a lot of discussion about what features are being planned/worked on in our blogs (<a href="http://amarok.kde.org/en/PlanetAmarok" rel="nofollow">http://amarok.kde.org/en/PlanetAmarok</a>)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: tikitu</title>
		<link>http://www.logophile.org/blog/2009/05/01/what-happened-to-amarok/comment-page-1/#comment-6598</link>
		<dc:creator>tikitu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ryan: It sounds like you miss a completely different set of features to the
ones I miss, which is interesting. Makes me realise anew how much is in
there.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Robin: you did. It was the PPA version that didn&#039;t deal properly with my
usb drive, but KDE4 has been so flakey that I&#039;m not even sure that that&#039;s
Amarok&#039;s  fault. Note my new conciliatory tone, because...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nikolaj: now I feel like a right jerk. There is an import function. It
didn&#039;t even occur to me there might be... what a jerk. Thanks for your
response, I&#039;ve edited some bits into the post. I still don&#039;t see how to
alter the collection sort order, but that&#039;s a seriously minor point besides
having all my long-hoarded data back. In my chastened state I&#039;m now off to
check out the roadmap for 2.x.x development, which of course I should have
done &lt;em&gt;first&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan: It sounds like you miss a completely different set of features to the
ones I miss, which is interesting. Makes me realise anew how much is in
there.</p>

<p>Robin: you did. It was the PPA version that didn&#8217;t deal properly with my
usb drive, but KDE4 has been so flakey that I&#8217;m not even sure that that&#8217;s
Amarok&#8217;s  fault. Note my new conciliatory tone, because&#8230;</p>

<p>Nikolaj: now I feel like a right jerk. There is an import function. It
didn&#8217;t even occur to me there might be&#8230; what a jerk. Thanks for your
response, I&#8217;ve edited some bits into the post. I still don&#8217;t see how to
alter the collection sort order, but that&#8217;s a seriously minor point besides
having all my long-hoarded data back. In my chastened state I&#8217;m now off to
check out the roadmap for 2.x.x development, which of course I should have
done <em>first</em>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nikolaj Hald Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://www.logophile.org/blog/2009/05/01/what-happened-to-amarok/comment-page-1/#comment-6597</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikolaj Hald Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 06:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While its true that Amarok 2.0.2 does not automatically import your Amarok 1 collection, in the settings-&gt;collection page there is an option to run a collection importer that should correctly import covers, various artist settings and so on. Since this is script based, it is possible to create importers for collections from other apps, and there is actually also an importer for iTunes collections.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for having this upgrade happen when installing Jaunty, the Amarok team would have preferred that Jaunty had kept Amarok 1.4.10 as the default and offered Amarok 2.0.2 as an optional update as we realize that it does not have feature parity with the 1.4.x version (yet). However this is not our call to make but that of the Ubuntu packagers. What is even more frustrating for us is that we almost have Amarok 2.1.0 ready for release, which is all around a &lt;em&gt;much&lt;/em&gt; better  Amarok than 2.0.2, fixing many bugs and bringing back many features, but we were unable to get it ready in time for inclusion in Jaunty. There is a beta available now with an experimental PPA for installing it on Jaunty.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All in all we are very aware of the shortcomings of the 2.0.2 version of Amarok, and are working hard on fixing them. 2.1.0 is going to be a major step forward, bringing back a lot of the missing features as well as adding some unique new ones that are possible because of the new framework. There are still a few things missing, such as better device support, but we are already working on these, and have a Goggle Summer of Code project for fixing this.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll try to answer a few of your specific points:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;User controlled sort order in the collection should still be there even if the interface for it changed a bit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;5) We have one default implementation built in, but it is actually possible to write your own using scripts, there is already an alternative version available on kde-apps.org ( you can install it using the script manager within Amarok . In general the scripting interface in AMarok 2 is &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; powerful compared to the previous version and allows for some amazing stuff.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;6) Yes!! We want those back to. Unfortunately it has proven a bit harder to do with the new codebase than we had expected.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;7) We really do try to listen to our users and respond to blogs like yours that while critical are definitely not trolling or just throwing flames and we agree on many of the issues and are working to fix them.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While its true that Amarok 2.0.2 does not automatically import your Amarok 1 collection, in the settings-&gt;collection page there is an option to run a collection importer that should correctly import covers, various artist settings and so on. Since this is script based, it is possible to create importers for collections from other apps, and there is actually also an importer for iTunes collections.</p>

<p>As for having this upgrade happen when installing Jaunty, the Amarok team would have preferred that Jaunty had kept Amarok 1.4.10 as the default and offered Amarok 2.0.2 as an optional update as we realize that it does not have feature parity with the 1.4.x version (yet). However this is not our call to make but that of the Ubuntu packagers. What is even more frustrating for us is that we almost have Amarok 2.1.0 ready for release, which is all around a <em>much</em> better  Amarok than 2.0.2, fixing many bugs and bringing back many features, but we were unable to get it ready in time for inclusion in Jaunty. There is a beta available now with an experimental PPA for installing it on Jaunty.</p>

<p>All in all we are very aware of the shortcomings of the 2.0.2 version of Amarok, and are working hard on fixing them. 2.1.0 is going to be a major step forward, bringing back a lot of the missing features as well as adding some unique new ones that are possible because of the new framework. There are still a few things missing, such as better device support, but we are already working on these, and have a Goggle Summer of Code project for fixing this.</p>

<p>I&#8217;ll try to answer a few of your specific points:</p>

<p>User controlled sort order in the collection should still be there even if the interface for it changed a bit.</p>

<p>5) We have one default implementation built in, but it is actually possible to write your own using scripts, there is already an alternative version available on kde-apps.org ( you can install it using the script manager within Amarok . In general the scripting interface in AMarok 2 is <em>very</em> powerful compared to the previous version and allows for some amazing stuff.</p>

<p>6) Yes!! We want those back to. Unfortunately it has proven a bit harder to do with the new codebase than we had expected.</p>

<p>7) We really do try to listen to our users and respond to blogs like yours that while critical are definitely not trolling or just throwing flames and we agree on many of the issues and are working to fix them.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.logophile.org/blog/2009/05/01/what-happened-to-amarok/comment-page-1/#comment-6596</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 03:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Didn&#039;t I send you a link to a PPA where you can get the versions of amarok as it&#039;s updated? I&#039;m sure I saw that somewhere and sent it to you. Maybe I&#039;m wrong.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t I send you a link to a PPA where you can get the versions of amarok as it&#8217;s updated? I&#8217;m sure I saw that somewhere and sent it to you. Maybe I&#8217;m wrong.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.logophile.org/blog/2009/05/01/what-happened-to-amarok/comment-page-1/#comment-6595</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 03:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I completely agree.  I just rebuilt my machine with the new version and it&#039;s like having both arms lopped off.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The lack of information displayed in the playlist makes organising and checking on tag information nearly impossible.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also can&#039;t &#039;stage&#039; things using the Files option and clean up tags etc. before moving them to my collection.  It appears you can&#039;t do anything with &#039;Files&#039; except add them to the collection - despite being able to drag and drop them anywhere - nothing happens.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve already given up using it as I can&#039;t do all the things I relied upon in the old version to manage my music.  I could learn to put up with it if the features where still there in a different spot, but most are gone!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I too hope they&#039;ll get all these features back in.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree.  I just rebuilt my machine with the new version and it&#8217;s like having both arms lopped off.</p>

<p>The lack of information displayed in the playlist makes organising and checking on tag information nearly impossible.</p>

<p>I also can&#8217;t &#8216;stage&#8217; things using the Files option and clean up tags etc. before moving them to my collection.  It appears you can&#8217;t do anything with &#8216;Files&#8217; except add them to the collection &#8211; despite being able to drag and drop them anywhere &#8211; nothing happens.</p>

<p>I&#8217;ve already given up using it as I can&#8217;t do all the things I relied upon in the old version to manage my music.  I could learn to put up with it if the features where still there in a different spot, but most are gone!</p>

<p>I too hope they&#8217;ll get all these features back in.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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